The Night Of Saints

Acceptedified.

Oh boy! I can do my happy Cho dance!

With phase one do the Templars have to be male?
I can do a male Templar...
It's just the lack of gender diversity always gets at me.

Well, back in medieval, and even Renaissance time, a female taking on the job of a warrior was highly profound.

Profound, but not totally unheard of, especially depending on the culture.

True, true. I mean, just look at the amazons. If your female couldnt kick your ass, you were a laughing stock. Which seems somewhat odd, particularly from todays patriarchal viewpoint.

Well, ignoring conflicts on their existance and the like, it's worth noting that a man is more apt to be a strong warrior than a woman, and given two people, a man and a woman, whose only different at all, was gender, and everything about them was otherwise identical including diet, work out, and the like, the man would be stronger.

umm... that's a rather general perspective, there... "the amazons" covers a WIDE variety of tribes. And while I'm sure that's one culture, I'm fairly certain there;'s another culture of amazonian warrior women that chose their husbands by challenging them to a fight, and refusing to even consider their advances if they didn't win. It's sort of like the scottish- the women were tough, but they expected their men to be tougher. It doesn't make sense for the women to want a weak man, ESPECIALLY in a matriarchal society. Do you see men specifically seeking out women who are less financially, socially, or physically successful than they are? what about women? No? then why would the amazons, who, put weight on combat prowess, seek men weaker than them? and if they weren't actively seeking them, why would they accept their advances?

Joural, you have a point. The weak have always fallen to the strong. That is why the immediate genocide of our ailing elders must be begun. To save this race, we must decrease the population and save resources without using too many resources.

Mr. Ji, your wrong. I hate to be so blunt, but your making a vast generalization. The reason men are percieved as being better fighters is because we have a higher center of gravity and therefore are more given to greater upper body strength. Females have a lower center of gravity, and therefore have better balance and greater flexibility and agility.

We also produce ten times as much testosterone and therefore would be more heavily muscled and stronger in the senario I set for this. Yes, being a warrior is more complicated than just that, but that still makes us more likely to be better fighters than a woman. I'm not saying women can't be good warriors, hell most women could beat me up, though most people could, so I digress. I am saying that being a good warrior is skewed more towards a man than a woman, and ancient societies would undoubtedly have noticed this. Hell though, so many things affect being a good warrior, like for instance, those left handed are better warriors than the right handed, merely because of surprise and all sorts of other things thatr a left handed warrior would only have to deal with agianst another, where in they could likely know what to expect. What I'm getting at here is "Yes, women can make good fighters, but taking ten men, and ten women, more men will statistically be good warriors than the women would be."

And besides, from what I've seen, we aren't an Amazon tribe, but more of a European society. In Europe, even women of high stature were less then their male counterparts.

And in biblical times, it took three credible female eye witnesses to equal the testimoney of one male eyewitness. And in asia meat was so rare that in wartime women would be sent into the field to walk around and clear out landmines and other traps, that way it would be safe for the ox or cow. And if you want to learn about how the status women were treated during ancient times, I advise you to watch Aladdin. The princesses were little more than well-fed concubines.

That reminds me, I really should post on my quotes thread again..... maybe do a video log.... Oh, so many ways to be awesome, so little time. Its a burden being as amazing as me, but I manage.

So when is this thing starting anyway? Cause I am currently a part of 4 RPs, not even counting my own 3, and not a single one of them has started yet.

Again. This isn't the middle east or asia we are dealing with.

Fine, how about these examples: Women were not allowed to go too prisons because they were thought too delicate. Women were not allowed anywhere near a military installation if they werent cooks or women of the evening, and less than 200 years ago women in Canada were designated as the "Property" of their husbands.

Mozarts sisters wrote over half his material and never got recognition because they were women. Einstien could never have finished his theory of relativity without help from his sister, and Catherine The Great conquered almost the entire former USSR without firing a shot because the male leaders consistently and without fail underestimated her.

To this day there are contracts and other legal ways to garner female slaves, pornography is a multi-billion dollar prostitution network, and the sex trade on the whole is little more than slavery, with women being thier own owners but selling themselves nonetheless.

Anne Bonney was the most feared pirate on the seas in her day, never taking prisoners and raking in millions of dollars in loot half of which was never recovered. And she was never sent to prison because she pleaded pregancy and escaped from the mid-wifes clutches.

Should I think of more examples, or can I stop now?

This was all started from a question? Woah...

Firstly: Men are usually stronger than women as it takes a woman twice as much effort to gain the same amount of muscle as a man.

Secondly: There's no point argueing this if Shade hasn't responded yes or no yet.

Aside from one of them, none of those women were fighters. And no need to bring up Joan of Arc, I know who she is, and she was a fighter. She was one fighter. Besides, you more or less answered your reason for there being no women in this military force. The Templar would never have accepted a female.

And one more thing. I never said women were less then men in ability, I was just saying that a women wouldn't have received a position as a fighter/soldier under a military in Europe without being some extraordinary genius in the field of combat.

Here is my sheet:

Name: Reverend Jonath
Age: 40
Sex: Male
Description: Reverend Jonath is not what most would expect when they thought of an ordained priest. He is exactly what the Northern Bishops expect when they think of a reliable subordinate. Jonath is for want of a better description, a Priest of the Battlefield. This straight backed, broad shouldered man is built like an ox; his six foot seven frame is abound with heavy and powerful muscles which alone good pass for armour, though his considerable body hair does obscure them a bit. His iron grey hair is short and somewhat priestly actually but it is slightly frayed and weathered. His broad face containing his sightless steely eyes is scored by numerous scars and a mark deliberately gouged into his face with a fine blade and then inked. The reason for this is that his belief is so great that though he lost his sight to an enemy blade a long time ago he can see by faith alone, and a little help from a bishop’s repetitive renewal of the blessing of course.
His armour his large and hefty, think Germanic Gothic armour, the silvery metal made from the finest Vanadium Steel. He has no need of magic, enchantments, curses or strange powers. Jonath is a simple man on a simple mission to keep peace in the faith with his great sermons which are usually followed swiftly by his mace.
Personality: Jonath is a man of his faith, he has an unshakable belief in the higher power of the True God and can easily back up his arguments and his sermons with some well-placed violence when his opposition refuses to yield their paltry cases. Despite his superb skill on the battlefield Jonath is usually a peaceful man but a wise peaceful man who is always ready for a fight and never shies away from one either. Like most priests of the True God he is celibate and no feminine charms or wiles could tempt him, his belief is too strong. In fact Jonath is often described as an incorruptible bastion against the dire forces of paganism and the myriad hosts of demons that often assault the Faithful. While the concept of chivalry does appeal, somewhat, to Jonath he does not follow it as the defence of the Faith comes first and no matter who the foe they will be vanquished. He is prepared to strike an enemy from behind, he is prepared to fight in the most dirty and detestable manner and he is prepared to kill them as quickly as possible; no fair fights, no fair moves, no matter how much mess is made. Despite how other soldiers, no matter how lowly they are, may act whether it be well or badly Jonath will always be prepared to look after their spiritual well-being and so is often a friendly face everywhere he goes, unless he’s riding against you.
Weapon of Choice: Faith and a good Mace. Who needs magic when a strong Faith and a reliable Mace will do the job for you?
Other:


If any of you have complaints about militant priests... Welcome to Northern Europe. You said European based, you've gotten it.

Good Lord I did not foresee this flame war erupting.

I meant no slight to women with that, haha. The society the Templars are in is male driven, the Black Isle will be fairly gender equal. The gender bias in the Human society is going to come into play later: that is why I included it, nothing more, nothing less. It's a male driven society, so even a woman who could've outsparred Astraois would've been laughed down trying to get into the Templars.

And besides that, the society being so male driven just perpetuates itself. There are no female Templars because no female Templars were before them. It takes a hell of an individual to break strict social norms like that, but once someone does it usually it starts a cascade of sorts. No sexism intended there, it's just that in the medieval society this is based on, women were rarely warriors (Joan of Arc being the only exception I can think of, as Jac mentioned) and besides that, I'm considering working it into the plot later.

As for the IC, I'll put it up soon. If you guys can manage more characters, that'd be great, but if not that's fine too. (For Act III. Or Act II now, I suppose)

Accepted, unit.

I'll write up a character soon; I just need to get work done first.

Sorry about that...

Work's more important: no worries.

Jac, no problem. I love debates, haha.

Also, the IC will be going up soon.

So, when do think we'll begin this then?

IC is up now. Act I will probably take a few pages at best, and then I'll detail what happens between I and II, then we'll start II.

We can begin whenever. It will mostly be minor character development (obviously, they'll all die, but it could affect how the II characters recall them in legends and such) until we reach the Abomination, where we will all tragically die!

Ooooh, what a tragic fate to behold!

That's all the fun in it! Although I'm considering having the knights live on as spirits or something, perhaps bound to the spot where they died or their weapons/armor.