The Earthheart - OOC

We're only at like 18 pages or something. :P

Also I think it might be better to do relations in a spreadsheet.

I'm not arguing storing them there, just, I don't know why the questioning/discussion as to them has to happen on the document itself. Not that it can't be done there, either. Like I said, rampant paranoia. :p I get 10 gigabytes per month, I'm going to be crazy conservative.

Yo Omni, do you want Larocia and Tannarin to be allies?


EDIT: Also, Aranis and Huginn should be allies against Tannarin.

Yeah that's fine with me.

You realize Omni, if aligned with Tannarin, Huginn probably wants significently less to do with you. :p Aside from keeping you reliant on Huginn enough that you'd never actually aid Tannarin in a war. I continue to assume all who follow something derived from the "the old ways" have a weird compulsion to avoid conquering Larocia. I maintain the sheer level of rainbow sparkles indicates it's probably heavily enchanted. :p I figure sometimes, through the fog and the smog of Huginn, you can just see a big column of golden light in the far distance, across the sea...

Yeah, I assume Anaris are useful allies, and they can offload their technological advancement on Huginn's factories, to offset their low population.

Oh wait your right. I think I might just avoid aligning Larocia with anybody.

Also you pose an interesting idea in my head. What if the current king and queen of Larocia put an enchantment over the entire kingdom with the help of something (humans being no magic). this enchantment includes Kyra. Perhaps as an attempt to keep the kingdom safe from some unknown knowledge. The letter Kyra gets promises to reveal to her something,

Admiral Ji wrote:

You realize Omni, if aligned with Tannarin, Huginn probably wants significently less to do with you.

Hey hey hey hey hey! No fair! Don't discourage my allies! :P

Admiral Ji wrote:

We could also simply use the forum's posts or pm systems. :p I might be speaking from a position of trying to conserve extremely limited internets through paranoia, and thus am afraid of what is probably a document in the tens of kilobytes.

Ah, understood. The doc is an another means, nonetheless. (As a PDF, it's currently 577 kilobytes. Google Drive probably involves some overhead.)

Ømnivalence wrote:

Also I think it might be better to do relations in a spreadsheet.

...if it gets that bad, I suppose.

Enchantment of 'ignorance is bliss' has some dramatic potential. People with good intentions have certainly partaken in such things before.

JazzTap wrote:

Enchantment of 'ignorance is bliss' has some dramatic potential. People with good intentions have certainly partaken in such things before.

That's what I'm thinking. Though I need to take time to think about what could be so bad as to warrant an enchantment of that magnitude.

Something, ideally, large enough to cause the systematic collapse of an entire empire.

Though, I suppose not, you're wanting this to be recent, while I'm assuming it's just sort of been there, and no one knows why, and it affects all the residents.

I believe that's exactly my job Socrates. :p You should be doing the same. If I had others.

I dunno, Jazz, do you think the Lizardfolk would need allies? And would they turn to the dwarves or the birds?

It doesn't have to be recent. it could be something that's always be there. Something handed down from shoulder to shoulder of the monarchy. Some burden they must shoulder for the good of the people, because if they knew. Well then something awful would happen.
I'm not thinking it has to be something evil on their part. But perhaps some other evil thing exists literally right under the town. Something that escaped the Veil.

Alriiight I'm back in good ol' Rock Island. Accepted, Socrates! Look forward to seeing how Lutin's treachery pays out. >:D

And oooh do I love that curse idea!

I'll do my best to update the map with those changes in mind, though I'm kinda confused on what I need to do, lol. I tried to place the countries so that the descriptions of their climate made geographical sense and all. But I'll look through the drive and see!

After the map is fleshed out, I'll be all ready to start. What about y'all? :D

Yeah! I'm excited to get started. Especially after the work we've all put in.

Ømnivalence wrote:

It doesn't have to be recent. it could be something that's always be there. Something handed down from shoulder to shoulder of the monarchy. Some burden they must shoulder for the good of the people, because if they knew. Well then something awful would happen.
I'm not thinking it has to be something evil on their part. But perhaps some other evil thing exists literally right under the town. Something that escaped the Veil.

Every full moon, they turn into a werejackalope.


I might try to make one more character but I'm very crunched for time right now so it might not get done. I'll have to see. I want to make a dwarf prince of Tannarin but I don't know if I want him to be a super arrogant and macho monster hunter or a gentle, introverted dwarf who wants to be a chef.

As bad as a werejackalope would be. :P I'm not sure it would warrant a charm across the whole kingdom.

Have you SEEN an angry werejackalope? Those things are a handsful when they're angry. Try shooting a moving werejackalope with a silver bullet. Impossible, and grabbing one is like grabbing an eel covered in soap.


So what do you guys think; should I make a gentle, sensitive prince who loves cooking or a tough, arrogant, macho prince who hunts monsters?

Patches already has the "loves cooking," so probably the latter. But what about a gentle, sensitive monster hunter with a progressive "no-kill" policy?

More of a monster scrapbooker, really...

I dunno. Not arrogant could be fun for in character moments, as could hilariously arrogant.

Jazz, my last message got buried somewhere (Yes, more reason I should just use the document, but it's day 2, and we're already down 4 GBs, okay?), but did you want maybe for the lizards to ally with their sisters-in-non-mammal? I figure, if you're large and in the region, you've picked at least someone's side, for economical and or defensive reasons.

Base your prince off Rundel Haus Code.

More ancient evils, more sparkly royals... yeah, seems high fantasy to me.

Admiral Ji wrote:

I dunno, Jazz, do you think the Lizardfolk would need allies? And would they turn to the dwarves or the birds?

Sorry, didn't forget, am just dragging my feet.

Jehd-Az-Akhr finds taking sides to be beneath its station. Actually, they want to keep both at arm's length while they're preoccupied by internal security. (Too much sprawl, not enough police that weren't co-opted into someone's private army on the latest downswing of the dynastic cycle.)

As long as both derive sufficient economic benefit from trading with Jehd-Az-Akhr, the idea is that neither will think to take advantage of this situation.

Currently the jehd'azak are trading both with Tannarin directly and with Larocia as theoretically a proxy of Huginn. The latter may be moot; is trading directly an option, then? (There remains a question of where the lizardfolk seaports are, and whether this is a good reason to come together as natural allies after all.)

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Incidentally, I got around to those motorcycle helmets I mentioned once, because faceless enforcers yay.

Proper advances could give soldiers internal HUDs that let them see through mounted cameras... thicker, more protective helmets... even less loss of sight. Faceless enforcers ho!

Makes sense, neutrality is likely a good solution.

Trading with Huginn directly is probable, and encouraged. If you have any ports along the Muninn Sea, it's inevitable, unless as you stated, you offload everything on someone else, and make them do the trading with Huginn. Otherwise, trading with anyone whose ports are located there would require at least passing Huginnese controlled waters. (And they do insist these waters belong to them. During war-time, some portions of the Huginnese navy's job is to interdict any enemy trading ships trying to pass through the outlet.) ((Which, I imagine is another good power difference. Tannarin probably has the superior army, but the Huginnese navy is more powerful.)

@Socrates: You'll also be able to add charries in after the RP's started. We'll figure out a way to work them in. :D

Dang Jazz, love those designs! Now I can't wait to see lizardfolk motorcycle highway bandit gangs...

Here's an updated map! Purple triangles are mountains, green squigglies are forests/jungles. Have yet to mark deserts/marshes but those'll come later :P

https://i.imgur.com/WsTWrd4.png

As soon as everyone agrees with what's on the map I'll start working on a refined, truly Ye-Olde-Versione of it :D And I'll fill in the rest of the unnamed places, too. Any ocean name suggestions, by the by?

Huginn remains the exact opposite of where it was mentioned in the document, aside from being in the north and vaguely near Larocia: No strait to anywhere meaningful, no reason for any trade to pass by there, considering most of the major powers can just reach straight across a narrow sea, and it's basically in the back end of nowhere. I mean, Olm is dependent on us, but that's basically it. I'd be tempted to say it'd be a place to trade with Westearly, but we're the (very) long way around from it, so the flesh-shapers and the orc tribes are actually in a way superior position. So that leaves Olm and the Empty Place as the only places we're in a position to influence trade to. We pile our blue jeans and pop music on the Empty Place, but somehow this doesn't bring us any money...
Wouldn't be quite so bad if the main two continents were shifted east to favor Huginn a little more, since as it stands, the orcs have no reason not to control the trade of everywhere forever. Seriously, everywhere else on the planet would probably kill for that little crescent island, save for the orcs, who would probably consider it awful fishing given all of the inevitable traffic. They'd probably benefit from having a bigger ocean available to them.

I don't want to seem like a pain, but when your two national characteristics are "major trade hub" and "severely industrialized," when one of those doesn't pan out, it all goes a bit silly.

TL:DR we were hoping for Spain or Denmark, but we got Alaska.

At least a minor band-aid would be flipping Jehd-Az-Akhr and Huginn's location (wheeling the sea with them), which would put Huginn in a more advantageous trade position where they could potentially compete with the crescent isle, especially if the isle is divided between the two groups, and neither is particularly modernized.